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“Here’s something to think about: How come you never see a headline like ‘Psychic wins lottery?’” - Jay Leno


Jane Hopper, also known as Eleven.


Carietta N. White, also known as Carrie. 


Telekinesis is the ability to move objects or to cause changes in them through pure force of will. Mediums in the 1800s claimed to possess this, with many researchers investigating the mental phenomena to no avail. In the final entry of Bang’s Blogs: Stranger Things, we’re pitting horror’s most iconic psychic teenagers against each other! The children of Margaret White and Dr. Brenner go head to head, and only one can come out on top. Will Eleven turn Carrie’s world upside down, or will Eleven know the name of Carrie? Let’s end what we began in this DEATH BATTLE!

Before We Start....


Eleven, obviously, will be handled similarly to Steve Harrington and The Demogorgon before her. Not really any need to reiterate further, go read Laurie Strode vs Steve Harrington and Demogorgon vs Death Angel if you need more information. TLDR; She is being soft-composited. 


Carrie White, as our final challenger will be composited over her various versions over the years. Ultimately, no version of Carrie is radically different from the other and all are adaptations of the original Stephen King story, although admittedly to varying degrees of faithfulness. Did you really expect us to only keep it to the original novel? Where else would you talk about the movies, bud. We’ll be including all four of the official movies, the original novel, the Find Carrie game and the Carrie musical. We’ll also be sure to look into any available scripts for further elaboration on some things. Other than that, Carrie is pretty straight forward…. Until we factor in that Carrie exists within Stephen King’s expanded multiverse, where just about every major story of his you can think of exists. So, in order to be completely thorough, we read a majority of King’s work (list linked here). For this we mostly focused on the original novels, but will also mildly consider movies as back-up evidence when we can, nothing more however. The various film/tv show adaptations of King’s work are almost always done by different writers and only occasionally has King himself stepped in. On top of this, the various adaptations are not really interconnected like how the novels are, due to rights issues and whatnot. So we will not be considering the movies or shows for any major arguments unless two things are taken into account- King himself must have been heavily involved with its production and it must show some interconnectivity with other adaptations. 


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  • Echo, Boomer and Blessed for Dark Tower reading



Connections


We know what you’re thinking. “Isn’t this just telekinetic teenagers”? Well, no! Carrie and Eleven actually have a good bit in common with each other. This pairing often gets a lot of flack for being “basic”, but after researching both characters, we found this to just be wrong and thought this would be a nice inclusion to maybe sell more people on the idea.


  • Eleven is just verbatim directly inspired by Carrie, along with Stranger Things as a whole taking inspiration from Stephen King's work and just share similarities in general. Specifically elements such as Cosmic Horror, Coming of Age tales, Abstract Supernatural themes, etc. Although this should be kind of obvious.

  • Telekinetic teenage girls from the 1980ish era whose gifts are empowered through emotions, with rage and fear being the strongest.  

  • Eleven and Carrie’s gifts are both from a sort of “shared source”, which others have also gained their power from (Vecna’s dna and The Shine)

  • You can also argue both are genetic, as the original novel says Carrie inherited it from her Grandmother and the script of the 2013 Carrie film confirms Carrie inherited her powers from her mother, like Eleven.

  • Their bodies are both dealt a physical toll when using their powers. Eleven’s powers will cause her nose to bleed and physically drain her, while Carrie’s in the original novel will cause her heart rate to skyrocket and blood pressure to rise.

  • Both grew up basically being manipulated and abused by their "parents" who think they're doing it for a greater good. Brenner legitimately thought what he was doing would help mankind, while Carrie’s mother thought she was saving her daughter from eternal damnation. While both do seemingly show affection for Carrie and El, if they did not obey them, they were often physically abused. 

  • They eventually break free from their parent’s control and torment in an attempt to live their own life, with this ultimately concluding with Brenner and Ms. White dying after reuniting with their kids. 

  • Both are viciously bullied in high school and are ridiculed for being timid and different, which leads to them lashing out against their attackers.

  • (TV Movie Carrie) At the end of their stories both of them fake their own deaths and move to another state to try and live a normal life (We all know Eleven isn’t dead lmao)

  • They both have telekinetic “sisters” in Kali and Rachel Lang respectively. Kali takes Eleven under her wing and guides her, meanwhile Rachel follows in her older sister’s footsteps. 

  • One of the happiest moments of their lives is when Mike Wheeler and Tommy Ross took them to school dances. (Obviously this didn’t end well for Carrie though lol)

  • You could also probably stretch some stuff with Hopper and Margerette being over protective but eh, there’s very different context around that.


Core Theme: Telekinetic teenagers from abusive upbringings who just try to live a normal life but the world is just out to get them and make them miserable, but ultimately find a way to make their life their own.

Background


Eleven

“I came here to see if I was the monster, but now I know the truth. It is not me. It is you. You are the monster.“ 


In the 1970s, a secret government-funded program called Project MKUltra was experimenting. Hoping to recreate the powers of Henry Creel, otherwise known as Subject 001, the goal was to spy on and mind control enemies during the Cold War, and the operation went shady, using live human subjects as a result. One such subject was a young woman on heavy drugs named Terry Ives, who willingly volunteered. Unbeknownst to Terry, she received numerous psychedelic drugs and a dose of Henry Creel’s blood. She became pregnant, giving birth to a daughter she named Jane. Dr. Martin Brenner, a researcher for Project MKUltra, abducted Jane, and eradicated any evidence of her birth, covering it up as a miscarriage. Terry tried to sue, but there was a lack of evidence, placing Jane in the unfortunate care of the mad doctor. 


For the years of her childhood, “Subject 011” would be used as a test subject to harness her telepathy and telekinesis; crushing soda cans with her mind, or manipulating lightbulbs. But when presented with a living subject like a cat, Subject 011 could not bring herself to harm it, and Dr. Brenner would punish her by locking her in a cell, but one day, she broke; and she hurled the door open and killed the guards. Dr. Brenner knew that her training was coming to fruition, and it was time to practice out on the field. At the height of the Cold War, Brenner tried to make Subject 011 spy on their adversaries, and tried to spy on a Soviet agent with help from her sensory deprivation tank. While contact was a success, something else was in the mental void. A creature from another dimension. Intrigued, Dr. Brenner had Subject 011 repeat the experiment to make contact with the creature again. And it worked a second time, but the creature was coming into our world. Making a gate in the walls of Hawkins National Laboratory, a monster from an unknown place ransacked the laboratory. 


Amidst the chaos, Subject 011 escaped through the basement’s drain pipe and fled into the woodlands of Hawkins, Indiana. Having no real contact with the outside world, she aimlessly went to diners trying to steal food, but she soon found out that Dr. Brenner was hunting her down to take her back to the lab, so she was on the run. After fleeing a gruesome diner killing, Subject 011 crossed paths with three boys; Mike Wheeler, Dustin Henderson, and Lucas Sinclair. Immediately, the boys took her into Mike’s house, where they tried to figure out what to do with her. Either way, they decided to let her stay the night, building her a fort. The boys noticed that she didn’t really talk much, and Mike decided to give her a nickname; “El”, or short for Eleven. 


Carrie

“There’s nothing to do with Satan, Momma, it’s me. If I concentrate hard enough, I can move things.”


In 1979 Chamberlain, Maine, an event described as a defining moment of the 20th century next to JFK’s assasination would occur. Carrie White was a 16 year old girl ridiculed by her peers in high school for just about every detail imaginable. Her weight, clothes, and her extreme naivety, caused by her even worse home life. Carrie’s mother Margaret White conceived her via an unwanted sexual encounter with her husband that led to a cycle of self-hatred, her mother projecting her extreme religious beliefs onto her daughter who she believed to be a child of sin. She isolated her daughter from society, refusing to teach her about aspects of life she considered “sinful” like puberty, and forced her to pray to religious icons whenever she felt Carrie had sinned. 


Little did the bullies at school know that Carrie had telekinesis, an ability passed down to her through the genetics of her grandmother. It manifests during strong emotional stress Carrie experiences, first at age three when she caused a rain of stones to come down upon her house. So when her powers start to manifest more prominently in the leadup to prom night, Carrie secretly tries to control them, so that she can have a normal, great day among her peers for once. A boy named Tommy asks Carrie to be his prom date, which she accepts. She stands up to her mother for the first real time, using her powers to make her mother silent on her attempts to prevent Carrie from going to prom. When the night arrives, Carrie is ecstatic, having finally felt accepted by her peers for the first time, and being elected prom queen might have seemed ideal. However, Carrie’s fears would come to light, as she had been plotted against from the beginning. A bucket of pig’s blood was dropped on her head, a shocking scene that made her just snap inside.


She went on a blood-soaked rampage, killing many people in her town, indirectly causing her school to explode, and finally reaching her mother for long awaited revenge. Margaret had been waiting too, as she finally admits to Carrie that she believed her daughter was bathed in sin due to the circumstances of her birth. Managing to put down her mother by stopping her heart, Carrie still could not survive the night, as she succumbed to a wound inflicted by her mom stabbing her. Before she died though, she had one last interaction with Sue Snell, a classmate who had previously tormented Carrie but began to feel empathy for her after getting scolded by a teacher. Carrie believed it was her who was responsible for what happened, but looking into her mind revealed she had no part in it, genuinely guilty for her behavior towards Carrie. Though her legacy would be making Chamberlain a ghost town, all it could’ve been avoided if the world was simply kind to Carrie White.

Experience & Skill


Eleven

Eleven is very talented with her abilities. Even in her young age Eleven had been pitted in tests against her fellow test subjects, proving that she was the most powerful among them. Before her grand escape she defeated a few other very powerful telepaths, including Henry Creel and 002. She and her siblings have been trained for remote assassinations and in preparation for actual wars since infancy and later in her life she was heavily trained by ex-military Jim Hopper in extensive exercises and aided in around 37 Crawl Missions. She shows off tracking skills, learnt how to tend to wounds, has snuck into guarded military bases and has battled many military soldiers and government agents in head-on fights. She was also trained by fellow test subject: Kali on how to better control her powers. Teaching her to use her emotions to better amplify her power. 


Eleven played a key role in saving the world on several occasions. Taking on things like the Demogorgon and the Flayed and thwarted Vecna’s plan to merge the worlds of the Abyss and Hawkins. She’s battled Vecna on more than a couple of occasions and always beat his ass. But Eleven is more crafty than just holding her arms out and screaming to kill something. She’s pretty creative. She’s used her powers to perform pranks on unsuspecting people or has forced people to use their own weapons on themselves. In the comics, she used her powers to create a diversion to throw people off her trail and during her final fight with Vecna, once she was on the backfoot, she used surrounding sand to blind Vecna and perform a stealth attack to regain the advantage. 


Carrie

As the story goes on, Carrie uses what is called “flexing” to try and control her powers, not actual physical flexing but mentally trying to make what she wants happen. In the grand finale where she goes berserk, she explicitly is described as flexing to shut the school doors and she’s formed telekinetic links with others to gain information. She consistently used the environment to her advantage. From targeting sprinklers to ripping out fire hydrants, there’s a reason Chamberlain became a ghost town after Carrie’s rampage. She’s killed a lot of people, like a fucking lot dude. Even cops cannot evade her fucking wrath. So many in fact that her own mother tried to kill her, but her ass got wrecked. After this in the 2002 film, Carrie would go on to successfully fake her own death and skip town to lead a new life. Free from any bullshit for the rest of her days.


Equipment


Eleven


Water Tank Outfit

Eleven has had a few specialized outfits for going under and into the void. Her Tank outfit is specially designed for deep concentration and is fitted with four weights on the front to help keep her weighed down and submerged under water. In Stranger Things 3 the game, her Thinking Cap grants Eleven 25% more damage and her special moves only cost 1 energy.


Hopper’s Compass

Given to her in season 5 as a parting gift from the big man himself. It’s a regular ol’ compass, using earth’s natural magnetic field to give directions. Though, any portals nearby would cause it to go crazy and just be unusable. 


Eggo Waffles

Eleven’s favorite snack (Millie fucking hates them though). In the first Stranger Things video game, Eleven’s unique item is Maple Syrup, which can increase her attack power by a good bit. And of course, Netflix loves money and has sold limited edition Stranger Things themed waffles a few times.


Trinkets

As brought up before in Steve Harrington vs Laurie Strode, in the Stranger Things 3 video game characters can craft and equip special items to aid them in head to head battles. We won't waste too much time here since we already listed all of them in Steve vs Laurie, so go read that real quick if you want more information. TLDR; Eleven gains a good few items to buff up stats, heal wounds and defend against damage.


Random Toy Accessories

Of course given how much the series blew up, toy lines were inevitable. With Eleven being the character with by far the most merchandise to look through. While nothing here is ground breaking or anything, we just thought it’d be nice to be thorough. 


McDonalds

Tuff.  


Carrie


Prom Tiara and Scepter 

Being the elected Prom Queen, Carrie was given the prom queen crown. In the 2002 tv movie she was also given the prom scepter, which she could probably clobber someone with. 


Knives 

When Margaret White attacked Carrie and tried to finish her off, Carrie retaliated and telekinetically summoned knives from around their house to pin her mother in place. Carrie then proceeded to turn her into a crucified porcupine. 


Crucifixes

One thing that is always consistent about Carebear is her faith in christianity. She owns at least three of these things and even wears a cross necklace in the 2013 remake. Big JC got her back.


Abilities


Eleven


Telekinesis

Eleven’s main power is of course powerful telekinesis. When taught by Henry, Eleven found that their strength was in memories of the past, things that make her angry or sad can empower her telekinesis. When Henry said that Eleven was the most powerful subject in the rainbow room, he wasn’t kidding. Not only can El use it to throw out powerful blasts and manipulate objects, she can use her powers to make grand leaps or to levitate and has used it defensively on a few occasions. In season 5 she created a sort of force field to cover herself, Hopper and Kali and can emit a blast from her body and knock away several men trying to subdue her. 


As Dustin Henderson says, Eleven’s powers operate a lot like the Force from Star Wars. She can stop fans from moving, levitate objects, force doors open, snap necks with a mere head nod, bind people in their place, force push people away, can use it to amplify her voice and shoot out a concussive blast, hold someone mid-air, and cause lights to flicker. 


She can multitask with it too. While projecting a protective barrier, she could also act offensively, destroying incoming objects while she moved to a safer area. Eleven can also target things inside of a target. Not only has she made people piss themselves by squeezing their badder, she’s also used her tk to pull a tracking device out of Henry's neck and pulled a piece of the Meat Flayer out of her leg before it could take her over. She’s even been able to telekinetically attack multiple men at once. 


Eleven is likely the most powerful telekinetic in the series. Not only has she been tested against the best of Dr. Brenner’s test subjects but her only real competition is Henry Creel, Vecna. Who she has not only matched at several points in the show, but has kicked his ass every time. But it’s important to keep in mind that there have been times where overexertion (Both physically and mentally) has caused Eleven to lose her powers, specifically in her battle against the Mind Flayer’s physical avatar. But El didn’t stay powerless for very long. In season 4, Eleven went through a program that not only restored her powers but were actually brought back stronger than before. 


This was done through making her re-experience all of her past experimentations/tests and thus, making her relearn how to harness her powers. This includes making her remember bad memories and trauma, ensuring to make this a careful process so as to not lose Eleven to her to the darkness. Meaning that Eleven at her peak is upscaling feats performed in her youth. In a couple of official video games, Eleven can harness her telekinetic powers into powerful projectiles. In the 1984 video game, El can manifest her powers into a high speed projectile fired from her head and in the Stranger Things 3 game she has a technique called “Nuke”, a small AOE attack to deal damage to multiple surrounding enemies, dealing crit damage.


Extrasensory Perception

When on the hunt for Will, Eleven was able to track his location by simply holding a piece of the boys’ Dungeons & Dragons game, detecting him in the Upside-Down. In Tales from ‘85 she could see visions through touch as well.


Electricity/Technology Manipulation

A more minor ability, Eleven has shown some level of control over electronics. Eleven and another experiment: 002 use their powers to control electricity and later could short out cameras. She’s also used it to control Dustin's toys and in season one, she could transfer Will’s voice into a portable radio for the rest of the gang to hear. Eleven is able to basically funnel voices from other locations like the Upside Down and make them play over radios in the real world and she’s used this in cases of hunting people down for Brenner. 


The Void

Through concentration she can enter the black void. Dustin states that she enters a trance-like state and describes this as “remote-traveling”, a sort of astral projection. It essentially allows her to see into what’s going on in other parts of the world, without needing to physically go there as long as she can psychically connect with someone there. She does this via tracking their “psychic signature”, as said with Kali in the novels and has even used this to snoop into other people’s minds and get a glimpse into their memories. In some cases, this allows her to read the minds of others beforehand, suggesting she has a degree of telepathy. 


This can be harmful on the subject as well, like when she snooped around in Akers head, which became quite painful for him the longer she remained in there due to him resisting. Typically though this isn’t her goal, she usually just uses this to gather information. For example, she has used it to spy on Mike and Lucas from Hopper’s cabin and later sees into Billy’s childhood memories. Eleven and Kali even managed to pull Max into the void of El’s mind, despite her being fully awake and then by extension into Vecna’s memories. She’s also used this trick for combat before, within Max’s mind she could battle and overpower Vecna. 


El’s mind hopping can be used in pretty creative ways, such as with her piggyback mind trick plan. Which was essentially her using Max’s mind in order to confront Vecna. The range of this stuff is actually pretty nuts too. She says she can search far, even into the upside down from Hawkins… which is like another dimension away. Though, in the past this did have limits. This sort of thing requires El to have a visual of the target and using this trick on other telepathics, like a Flayed Billy, the Flayed were able to pick up on her location. 


Biokinesis

Eleven has shown on occasion the ability to control one’s body itself. In season 1 she does smaller stuff, like manipulating a kid’s bladder to make him pee his pants, or cause blood to come out of numerous adults’ eyes. She was able to completely incinerate a Demogorgon, though this caused her to be transported to the Upside-Down. To halt Vecna’s plan to have the Upside Down bleed into Hawkins, Eleven brought Max back from death. We actually see this process directly in the VR game, with Eleven entering Max’s dreamscape and repealing vines throughout her memories in order to bring her back. Though, while she did survive, she was left comatose for a very long time. It’s also revealed that Eleven’s blood could potentially be used to grant others powers through experimentation. Though Kali's blood is incompatible with normal humans, Eleven is stated by Kali to be the only one to truly be similar to Henry.


Portal Creation

El is one of the few characters in the series with this ability. With enough effort, Eleven can open and close portals to the Upside-Down. These gates give off electromagnetic fields and can cause nearby electronics to go haywire. Tying into El’s biokinesis, she can turn victims into portals if they’re pinned against any surface with an immense amount of heat, completely disintegrating a Demogorgon on her first ever try. With this killing the Demogorgon in season 1, although seemingly more powerful foes like Vecna will just be sent to another dimension. This isn’t just your basic portal summoning though. Doing this requires an absolute fuck-ton of telekinetic might! In season 3, the Russian government was using a device that required “billions of volts of power” to try and reopen a portal to the Upside-Down, which they only accomplished through siphoning power from Hawkin’s town power grid. But Mr. Clarke in the 1st season stated that doing something like this would require more power than mankind was capable of producing at the time!


Teleportation???

We… have no idea where this is from specifically, but the Duffer Brothers list it under her abilities section in the official behind the scenes novel (World’s Turned Upside-Down). Everything else listed seems to track with what we see, but this is just pretty random. Apparently she can teleport, not much else to say.


MKUltra Experiment Powers (See Before the Verdict)

Spoiler alert nerds, it’s revealed in Season 5 that Eleven and all the other test subjects in MKUltra were accomplished through basically injecting babies with Henry Creel’s own blood. Which grants them their special abilities. Given these all come from the same source essentially, one may ponder if Eleven can replicate the powers of the other telepaths in the series. Which we will go into further before the verdicts, but we made sure to keep a little list of every unique power shown in the series from the rest.

  • Terry Ives

  • Alice Johnson

  • Saint John

  • Kali (008)

  • Miscellaneous Test Subjects

  • Comic Characters

  • Test Subject 006 (Jamie) has the ability of pyrokinesis. Being able to catch things on fire from a mere touch, being one of the few subjects whose power isn't fully mental. Ricky, another subject, shows off mind control. Which he uses to temporarily convince people to go through with small tasks, or he could tell someone to just kill themselves like he did to this one guy. 


Minor Resistances

Eleven and the rest of the cast get a bit of mileage from video games in this department. As said before one could fairly say these are due to game mechanics, but for completionist sake, we will list them here. 


Carrie


Telekinesis

Carrie’s most iconic ability by far. Carrie’s powers are established to be caused by genetics, likely inherited from her grandmother or mother and the power of which is dependent on her emotions, with rage and fear as the biggest motivators. When tapping into her full power, Carrie’s pupils will dilate and her vision will tunnel as she is just consumed by pure bloodlust. She can harness this into powerful waves of energy, like she can radiate a telekinetic blast omnidirectionally. But she’s also showcased the capability to multitask with her telekinesis and has on occasion been able to manipulate objects without even needing to see them or needing to directly focus on them. Her uses of this are pretty precise as well. Like when she targeted water pipes to deactivate a sprinkler system or undid the screws of a fire hydrant to add to the havoc around her. She’s so precise that she could halt a single drop of water mid fall and even target specific organs in a victim, as when she attacked her mother’s heart directly to force a heart attack on her. 


Carrie has also used her powers to close all the windows in a building at once, used a water hose to spray people, and has used tables as blockables for doorways. She can levitate and form protective fields strong enough to shatter a speeding truck. Though it’s important to note that at least with some versions of Carrie, she seems to suffer memory loss after going all out, such as after her rampage through her home town. Carrie’s range of effect is also pretty crazy, as in the 2002 movie she could pull meteors from space as an infant, a distance of 62 miles. 


Electricity and Technology Manipulation

Consistently Carrie has showcased the ability to somewhat tamper with electronics. In the 2002 film she caused a light bulb to overcharge and explode and in the 2013 remake, lights would flicker as her powers activated. Later she could do this on a larger scale, as she could overload several stage lights at once, causing them to explode and did the same to powerlines to make the surrounding neighborhood blackout. She purposefully electrocuted her principle by sparking electronics in the water he was standing in. She is even just outright immune to its effects on her, when everyone else around her was being fired to death, Carrie was unharmed. Her lost sister Rachel Lang, also had this ability, as she could remotely rewind a VCR player from dozens of feet away. The novel also ends with her taking control of the car she’s in and forces it into a wall.


Mind Manipulation

Carrie is able to create a telepathic link between herself and Sue, allowing them to communicate and in the official Find Carrie browser game (Yes, we’re going that deep), without having a visual of the player, Carrie will jump scare them at the end and say their name. Insinuating some form of mind reading. She also just goes through Sue’s mind straight up in the novel and a man says that he knew who she was and her thoughts without ever meeting her before or knowing why. She also formed a telepathic link with Cora Simard and Billy in the novel said he could always somehow feel her presence. 


Enhanced Senses

Seemingly, Carrie received a sort of minor premonition that something was going to go wrong during the prom. In the 2013 film, Carrie’s Mother Margaret also senses when something is happening to Carrie at school from their home and Carrie herself could detect that Sue is pregnant, so this is actually pretty consistent.  


Weather and Element Manipulation

Carrie has shown that her telekinesis affects the earthly elements around her. She could manipulate and move water surrounding her and can somewhat control fire in the stage play, but in the original movie she just catches her house on fire. Her more impressive showings are with storm conjuring; however, in both the original novels and a deleted scene from the 2013 film, Carrie could summon small storms of ice or hail and in the 2002 movie, even as a newborn baby she could manipulate meteor showers.


The Shine (See Before the Verdict)

Sometimes also referred to as “The Touch”, “Tingle” or The Shining… The Shine is a shared power system throughout many Stephen King stories and universes. It is often claimed that Carrie White is the most powerful user of The Shine and should be capable of the unique powers of other, less impressive Shine users. We will discuss this idea more thoroughly before we get to the verdict, but we took the time to be comprehensive and looked into the most popular characters with this power and what they were able to accomplish with it. Keep in mind though we're only going to be looking thoroughly through the most *obvious* cases of Shine. Most of King's works have some element of it but let's be honest, Cujo ain't adding a goddamn thing.

  • Ted Broadagin the Breaker

  • We are first introduced to Ted in the “short” story “Low Men in Yellow Suits”. He's a consistent character in the Dark Towers series and has your basic (and decently reoccurring) telepathy. He can read minds and has some form of extrasensory abilities. As he could sense when the Yellow Suits were approaching. Uniquely he has the ability to seemingly share his Shine (has shown with Bobby) and even heavily amplify the Shine of other Breakers. Bobby potentially had a very small amount of latent Shine but was boosted for short periods of time after being in contact with Ted.

  • John Coffey

  • The Torrances & Dick Hallorann

  • The True Knot Cult

  • There's also the Cult of The True Knot, which seemingly have a unique variant of The Shine. They can feed off the “steam” of other Shine users and gain semi-immortality and become energized. Some even possess minor hypnosis and sleep manipulation and they all have some level of precognitive abilities, as they predicted 9/11 months in advance. A select few of them do have a sort of “sonar” ability that allows them to track “steam” (The Shine). The True Knot’s leader was also capable of implanting physic traps within a victims mind. 

  • Abra Stone

  • Firestarter

  • Gerald’s Game & Dolores Caliborne

  • The Institute

  • Dreamcatcher

  • The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer (AKA: Rose Red)

  • The Dead Zone

  • Johnny Smith was put into a five year coma after a deadly car accident. When he woke up, he found he now had the ability of precognition through touch. This can range a bit from smaller stuff like helping find a lost ring, or even major events like a nuclear apocalypse. He eventually comes to find his brain has a “Dead Zone”, which is a sort of blank spot in his mind. Which leads him to believe that the events he sees are not set in stone and he uses this to his advantage in trying to stop them from happening. 

  • The Losers Club

  • Pet Sematary

  • The Children of the Corn

  • Sarah from the first Children of the Corn movie possesses a form of the Shine which allows her to draw precognitive pictures whilst she is sleeping. This ability allows her to guide Burt and Vickie, as well as earning the respect of Isaac and He Who Walks Behind The Rows who decide to not punish her despite disobeying the cults doctrine.

  • Additionally, Hannah from Children of the Corn 666: The Return of Isaac seems to possess a version of the Shine which allows her to see hallucinations of currently occurring events which are putting people’s lives in danger.

  • He Who Walks Behind The Rows is the God of the Children of the Corn, and is sometimes theorised in fan theories to be a version of Randall Flagg from the Dark Tower series (although this remains unconfirmed). He has abilities which allow him to call down storms, possess people, body puppet, use telekinesis strong enough to send people to space, manipulate corn strong enough to decapitate people and mind control. He uses these abilities to control children into joining his cult and worshipping him across the entire Children of the Corn franchise.

    • He Who Walks Behind The Rows is called the “God of the Old Testament”, as in the Biblical God himself, in the Children of the Corn 2009 remake, so it is entirely possible that he isn’t a Shine user at all and as such his impressive feats are not applicable to this debate.

  • The Stand

  • Lisey’s Story



Feats


Eleven


Overall

  • Saved Mike, Dustin and Lucas from the Demogorgon

  • Has saved the planet from Vecna and the Mind Flayer on three separate occasions.

  • With a little help, stopped Vecna from merging worlds.

  • Even at a young age she was considered the most powerful test subject of the rainbow room.

  • Tracked down her mother and then her lost sister Kali, who trained her to better use her powers.

  • Shunned Dr. Brenner’s influence and went on to live her own life.

  • Has closed off two giant portals to the Upside-Down to protect Hawkins.

  • Sacrificed herself to keep the US Government from using her to create more weaponized telepaths.

  • More than likely was an illusion though, she’s chilling in Iceland now.


Power

  • She would also close a giant portal to the upside-down, crushing the Queen in the process.

  • Eleven likely upscales this, as she is stated to be much more powerful than an ICBM.


Speed


Durability


Carrie


Overall

  • Stephen King’s first creation that kickstarted his career and a pillar of horror media.

  • Stood up to her mother and went to the prom with Tommy Ross.

  • Studied her gifts extensively and trained them to perfection. 

  • Went ape shit and wrecked her entire town just by walking through it.

  • In the novel, her rampage was so severe that the entire town evacuated and was left abandoned.

  • In the 2002 film, she survived her mother’s attack and left town to live a new peaceful life in secrecy.

  • King threw the story in the trash, then his wife picked up said trash. Now here we are.


Power


Speed


Durability



Scaling


Eleven


Heroes and Monsters 

This is just ONE of three Stranger Things blogs of ours released within this week. Please go ready Laurie Strode VS Steve Harrington and The Demogorgon VS Death Angel for a more in depth look at these characters. Needless to say, Eleven is probably the top tier of the verse and should just scale to everyone.

  • Residents of Hawkins

  • In the video game these blasts can seemingly reduce other humans to ash. (0.05 - 0.06 Tons of TNT)

  • For causing a blackout, since specific power usage data from the 1980s is unavailable, you could generously compare this to modern settlements (0.08 Tons of TNT)

  • Upside Down Monsters

  • Questionable if Demogorgons actually scale however. 

  • It’s also suggested that over an unknown amount of time she burrowed out a giant cave system. 


Other Telepaths

Eleven has been outright stated to be the 2nd most powerful subject in the Rainbow Room by Henry Creel himself, likely only coming in 2nd to his own capabilities and Will is merely just “borrowing” Henry's powers. So suffice to say, Eleven should scale or upscale most telepaths in the series.

  • Tethered Will Byers

  • Test Subjects


The Mind Flayer

Not only has Eleven beat the hell out of his physical avatar in the 3rd season and was able to damage its true form in the finale, but even as early as the events of season 2, The Mind Flayer saw Eleven as its equal in power, according to its novelisation.

  • The Meat Flayer

  • True Form


Vecna

The main big bad of the series. Henry Creel has had beef with El ever since she overpowered him and sent him to the Abyss. Jane has whooped his ass twice, even in what were technically amped states. 

  • Pre Transformation (Henry Creel)

  • Season 4/VR

  • That’d be around 150 Kilotons per portal used to cause this. 

  • Season 5


Carrie


Residents of Chamberline

Obviously due to her connection to the Shine and powerful telekinetic powers, Carrie White should scale to the regular humans of her world without much issue.


Rachel Lang

The original 1978 Carrie movie actually has a sequel (It’s dogshit) that follows Carrie White’s long lost half sister, who shares her telekinetic abilities. We found that Carrie herself should just be comparable to her sister, not only do their abilities just overlap with each other for the most part, but Rachel doesn’t show off any level of power too out of left field for Carrie. So we will be directly scaling Carrie to Rachel. 


Stephen King’s Catalog (See Before the Verdict)

Carrie is considered by fans to be one of the most powerful users of the Shine and thus, is argued to scale above most, if not at least comparable to a majority of other Shine users throughout King’s multiverse. We will further discuss this argument later before the verdicts, but for the time being, we listed out feats from some of King’s most notable works of fiction in a nice cohesive listing.



Weaknesses


Eleven

Eleven is quite possibly the most powerful character in her world, but don’t mistake her for perfect. Eleven’s powers do come at a physical cost to her. Iconically she’ll suffer minor nose bleeds even after the smallest of tasks but more taxing uses of her powers are more severe. Notably she needs to eat to “recharge” her “battery” after strenuous use of her powers. 


More damningly, Eleven has physically pushed herself to completely shutting off her powers in the past, through extreme effort and enduring physical trauma. Dr. Brenner explains in season 4 that Eleven removing a chunk of the Mind Flayer from her leg caused a “stroke” like effect on her and caused her to be unable to use her powers in combination with over exerting herself and beyond her limits. The US Government has also been able to figure out a sort of kryptonite for telepaths, and they made a special device to overwhelm her, which nullified her other powers. It’s a special sound played at a frequency that normal people cannot pick up. But left Eleven completely helpless. 


Carrie

Carrie is an incredibly powerful telepath, but there are some glaring issues present. Firstly, Carrie has very very little experience with using her powers. While she is already quite effective with them, she only has around a week of real experience with them and flexing them. Carrie is also just clearly not a real fighter, while she has killed a ton of people obviously there is a difference between fighting… and just murdering. Carrie was just sheltered from any experiences throughout her entire life due to her over protective mother and hasn’t really been able to experience much of anything really.


Carrie powers are also costly on her body. In the original novel it is established that during her flexing that her respiration will fall, her blood pressure will rise and her body temperature will lower. Insinuating some sort of physical draining of her energy. This is also added upon in the 2002 film, where after Carrie cuts loose and goes on a rampage throughout her town, she collapses and temporarily suffers memory loss. Not remembering the last few hours of that very night.

Before the Verdict


Cosmology


The Duffer Brothers’ Cosmic Oreo

The cosmology in Stranger Things isn't terribly complicated. Basically there are three important layers here to talk about. All sort of stacked together like one giant oreo. We have no direct statements about the sizes of each of these, Upside-Down aside, but reasonably each of them should be base-line universal in size. 


At the tippy top is the “Dimension X”. This is the home dimension of Vecna, the Demogorgons and the Mind Flayer (even though there are no Demogorgons when they get there thanks Duffer Brothers). It’s important to keep in mind that the name “Abyss” is keyed to the planet itself, not the whole dimension the Mind Flayer resides on, though people usually use the name interchangeably. In interviews the Duffer Brothers stated that this world is a “ giant, desolate planet” and as depicted in the show this planet has an altered form of gravity as seen with these giant floating hunks of rock. Vecna’s end game was to merge this world with the earth using…


Wedged between the main universe and the Abyss is the Upside-Down, long thought to be its own dimension but as established in season 5, it's more of a sort of wormhole that acts as a bridge between them, and only mirrors the town of Hawkins in size. It’s an interdimensional bridge that rips through space-time and is only held together by exotic matter but only mirrors Hawkins by the date of November 6th, 1983 (Being the exact date of Will Byers’ disappearance.) The Upside-Down acts as a direct bridge between the Mind Flayer’s planet and…


At the bottom of this resides the main dimension and the home for the main cast of characters. It’s very much just similar to our real world’s universe and there’s really not too much else to go on. There are no interesting statements to suggest otherwise. 


Less important pieces of the cosmology include the Hellscape. Often confused for just being the Abyss, it’s actually a sort of space between two parallel planes which lead to the Abyss. This is where Henry was sent after his fight with Eleven. It’s an inter-dimensional environment according to Michael Maher Jr.’s own concept art. There is also Vecna’s “Mind Lair” which is something within his own mind, similar to Eleven’s dark void. 


Stephen King’s Dark Tower

“I think i’m just going to kill myself.” -Thicc Grimes


One day, Stephen was snorting some of that puff and a lightbulb came up and then he thought “yoooo infinite worlds!!!” then smashed his face back into a pile of snow. In all seriousness, we’re not going to cover the entire cosmology. That’d be way too complex and long for it to be intelligible. So we’re going to keep it simple with what’s actually relevant to this discussion, as supposedly some Shine users in the Dark Towers series could affect it. 


So, the Dark Tower is described as a central linchpin holding all of existence together, all time and all size. In fact, the Tower is stated to “encompass size” and therefore encompass life. There are trillions of universes, with each one having an infinite amount of universes inside them, likened to encapsulated grains of sand and atoms in a much larger world. Perhaps that everything we perceive is contained in one mere blade of grass, towering over these universes. If this seems confusing and bizarre, that’s on purpose because it’s stated to offer a paradox too great for the finite mind to grasp. 


We can understand some disappointment over us not covering the entirety of King’s expanded cosmology, and we hear you. So stay tuned… partner’


Eleven and MKUltra

A consistent question for Eleven is if she’s able to replicate the abilities of her fellow test subjects. It’s understandable why some would argue this, as it is directly stated in the show that they all essentially gain their powers from a singular source. That being Vecna’s own DNA as their mothers were injected with his blood during pregnancy. With Eleven being the biggest success of them all. 


However, simply, there is no solid reason to afford Eleven the powers of her semi-brothers and sisters. It’s just stated to be the case in the Suspicious Minds novel that no two subjects would share the same powers, drawing similarities to Marvel’s X-Men in the moment. This should also just be clear in the show alone that Brenner’s test subjects normally specialize in one specific power, with some overlap with a select few of them. So really it’s pretty clear Eleven probably doesn’t have access to these powers, not only does she just… never use them when they’d be pretty damn handy but she is trained with her abilities and has practiced with them for years, so it stands to reason that if she could, she would. But never does.


Can Eleven scale to the Cosmology

Not really. Simply nobody in Stranger Things affects the entirety of its cosmology. 


Vecna has the most cosmic feat in the entire franchise but even then he needed to be amped up by 12 other people to accomplish this, which is just moving a singular planet, an admittedly larger one, but still just the one planet. No other higher implications are really implicated here in any way. Now with that said, you can still downscale Vecna from this feat. Even dividing the result by 13 people equally is still incredible and still well within the Zettatons even at the absolute worst. You could also argue that Vecna was doing a larger portion of the heavy lifting as well, as he’s just much more powerful and experienced than a bunch of random kids. Eleven of course would just scale to Vecna and the entire climactic battle of the final season is her beating the hell out of him, belt to ass.  


So sure, Eleven, Vecna and probably the Mind Flayer can be argued to be cosmic in their attack potency. This likely wouldn’t be an outlier either, as the characters are at their absolute peaks during these final episodes and Eleven herself was training for months to take down Vecna once and for all, while Vecna was gearing up himself to enact this whole plan. Keep in mind, attack potency doesn't necessarily equate to area of effect. Though to be fair, we wouldn’t pretend like this is exactly the norm either, this is definitely just the absolute max you can interpret these characters.


Carrie’s connection to The Shine

We’re gonna have to answer a few things here so buckle up. As said in the respective scaling and Shine sections before, Carrie is often considered one of the most powerful shine users by fans of Stephen King and some argue that Carrie gets quite a bit of mileage out of this idea. So, should Carrie be able to replicate what other characters have done with the shine? Can she logically be scaled to them? Well, no, not really. 


  • Power Replicating: Firstly, it’s quite obvious that each Shine user applies this stuff in drastically different ways. Carrie does showcase some telepathic abilities, but telekinesis is her main shtick. Potentially Carrie could unlock more to her power set given enough time to grow and tamper with them but something we’ll bring up a few times is that Carrie has very, very limited experience with using her powers, let alone being given the chance to prove she can do something like John Coffey or Danny Torrance. Something that is also clear throughout many stories is that characters sometimes are not born with notable control over the shine and are sometimes just outright gifted it, like with the protagonists of Dreamcatcher. Carrie’s shine is very much inherited through DNA, giving hers a completely different origin compared to a lot of other characters. In some stories, notably like Firestarter and The Institute, it is just directly stated that people tend to not share the exact same powers. Making it pretty undeniable that Carrie can’t replicate these powers. 


  • Scaling: So should Carrie scale to these characters in terms of stats? Well, no. We agreed that it’s probably reasonable to say Carrie physically could compare to normal human characters, like Jack Torrance for example, and you could say certain feats just existing would prove as sufficient back-up evidence to say Carrie’s feats aren’t outliers but that's really it. Carrie’s story is very much self-contained from the rest of King’s multiverse and obviously has never even interacted with any of these other characters, let alone fight them. And keep in mind, Carrie was never able to even achieve her full potential due to how her life had gone and only started really tampering around with her gifts for like… a week? There’s just nothing solid to go off of here to afford her this. 


Now with that established, this leads us right to…. 


Is Carrie a cosmic threat?

Fuck no lmao. 


This argument of Carrie scaling to Stephen King’s cosmology quite honestly just comes from out-of-context scans and what can basically be chalked up to vibes. There’s really no reason to scale Carrie to pretty much anything notable from Stephen King’s multiverse. Let alone the bat-shit cosmic implications the Dark Tower series has. In fact, Carrie is quite literally only a work of fiction in all of her direct references in other King books and there are no statements, even from Stephen King himself, comparing Carrie in any sort of vs-appicable way to his other characters. The closest thing we could find to this was him going on record saying that he almost canned the Firestarter novel as he felt like he was just writing Carrie again. There’s nothing concrete to suggest Carrie is comparable to someone on Charlie’s level. 


Of course, Carrie is visibly one of the more impressive users but this doesn't mean we can legitimately scale her to the Breakers destroying The Dark Tower’s beams. As there is just far too much context around this moment. While yes, these are technically random Shine users from across the multiverse… Not only is there just a massive group of these Breakers involved in destroying the beams, but they’re also being amped by these special pills made from the brain tissue of children. That’s not all though, but it’s also established that the beams themselves were already in a heavily weakened state due the Old Ones’ technology not receiving proper maintenance in centuries.  


It should be at least reasonable to use feats from other Shine users that are in-line with Carrie’s own feats as support, but it’s also important to keep in mind that in most variants of Carrie’s tale, she never really gets the chance to unlock her full potential. She only really cuts loose for a single night and then dies by the end of it. We also think scaling Carrie physically to other regular human characters in King’s catalog should be fine as well, but arguing Carrie is cosmic in any way is just simply incorrect on multiple fronts.


Should their physicals scale?

An admittedly pretty odd argument often talked about is that these characters are that their physicals should be comparable to their telekinetic might. We’re gonna break this down and explain why this wouldn’t really be the case. 


Eleven - El probably has the slightly stronger case of the two, that being we have direct evidence that using her powers does put some form of physical strain on her body. Being the iconic nose bleed. But aside from that, there’s really no reason to say Eleven is physically on par with his gifts. There’s no statements that suggest such a thing and narratively, it’s pretty clear that El is portrayed as just a regular teenage girl physically. She does have a couple of cases of taking attacks from other telekinetics, namely Vecna himself. Although there is context around these. In her first bout with Henry, he throws her back with a telekinetic push but this doesn't even break the wooden door he threw her into. On their second go around, this technically takes place within a sort of mindscape but even then, Vecna only tosses Eleven through a few tables and he wasn’t even at his full power in the story yet. Speaking of Vecna, he provides even further proof that they can physically scale. As it’s established that Will, when tethered to Vecna, was basically “borrowing” his powers, which he then uses to not only break Vecna’s own leg, but is ultimately what aided in Vecna’s own death. 


Carrie - Carebear is much easier to explain away. Carrie’s powers are very much only mental and don’t even require physical movement on her part, let alone be physically taxing on her. Nobody in the movies, the book or even the stage play ever actually survives a full force hit from Carrie nor has Carrie ever been in a situation that would lead to any sort of argument for her scaling. Some people in the Rage sequel do technically survive some hits from Rachel’s telekinesis, but not only is Rachel just not on the same level as her sister, but these can hardly be pointed to as moments of Rachel using her full power on them, just rather them being caught in the crossfire. Not to mention this would just be weird to argue for when more direct attacks just outright kill them.

Verdict


Chapter I: The Greatest Weapon…

These two are of course insanely powerful, and their telekinetic powers are both easily capable of ending the fight with a single well placed hit. 


Concerning physicals, Eleven is definitely beating the breaks off Carrie. Not only has Eleven actually went up and physically hit people before and trained her physical body for prolonged activities as shown in season 5, general scaling within Carrie’s own universe isn't really scratching what the human cast of Stranger Things can pull off, being around small building at best thanks to Hopper in season 3 and video game feats. Even trying to scale Carrie to normal humans in other King universes isn't really closing in on this, as at best we can argue certain characters around wall level. But realistically, neither of these two are gonna try to beat the shit out of each other like this. 


While we can’t exactly scale Carrie to other powerful Shine users, she still has very impressive feats of her own. She can conjure small ice storms in the novel and the remake but more impressively, Carrie can drag meteors down from space in the 2002 film. Getting an incredible 307 Tons of TNT, well within the multi-city block ranges of power and actually out doing the implications of base portal creation in Stranger Things, being around 221 Tons of TNT at minimum. Carrie should upscale this level of power as well, since she could do this stuff as even a baby. Outside of this though, Eleven definitely is pulling ahead by a large amount.  


Not only has Eleven lifted much heavier things, Vecna in season 4 was capable of creating portals that when combined caused so much destruction it was compared to magnitude 7.4 earthquake. Getting up to 775 Kilotons, even dividing this by the number of portals present to make this happen is still 150 Kilotons. Leagues above any direct feat from Carrie and likely collapsing even certain feats from other King characters. That’s not all though. Not only did Vecna say he’s become more powerful since this moment himself but this level of power is actually consistent when considering direct statements about Eleven’s might. People involved with her experimentation have stated that El is “much more powerful” than an intercontinental ballistic missile, which even at the time were incredibly destructive. Even just comparing Eleven to one of the re-rentry vehicles inside of the warhead itself would be around 300 Kilotons, supported by Vecna’s portals right out the gate. Though you could potentially push this even further as the statement isn’t just talking about one of these things, but the entire warhead. The whole warhead was documented to be able to carry around 11 vehicles inside (ironic) but they were typically more limited in practice with only around 8 - 10 being allowed. Still netting well over 2 Megatons worth of power. Eleven also definitely upscales this moment by the end of season 4.


That’s not the end of it however. Eleven’s absolute highest ends are even higher than that. Vecna during the final episode of season 5 attempts to merge our world with the Abyss, getting anywhere from 24 - 805 Zettatons of TNT. While Vecna did require help from twelve conduits to amplify his abilities to accomplish this, even dividing the result thirteen times is still within the Zettaton range. Carrie has nothing on this level obviously and almost no Shine user in King’s even scratches this, except Charlie from Firestarter…. Questionably. Even if we do take the statement literally from a guy who was clinically insane, splitting a planet in two is around 1.2 Zettatons, compared to even the lowest possible end of the planet merger, which 1.8 Zettatons when dividing the result, with a max of 64 Zettatons however. So in short, even if we were incredibly generous to Carrie and just scaled her to Charlie, she’s still falling short considerably. 


No matter how you angle this, Eleven is just far more powerful than her opponent by the end of her story thanks to her more consistently high scaling and direct statements of her full potential.

Chapter II: The Speed of Thought

Speed on the other hand is quite a bit more interesting. While Carrie and Eleven may seem pretty unimpressive in the regard at first, they both have some pretty insane showings. 


Firstly, bullet timing is pretty consistent in Stranger Things, characters in both the show and video games can dodge bullets. Including Eleven herself. Clocking in around 120 m/s or Mach 0.3, but Eleven should be a good bit above her regular human comrades. Thanks to the Tales from ‘85 animated series, Eleven has directly higher feats. When an explosion threw a saw blade at Mike, she caught it right before it could hit him. Getting around Mach 1.4 at most. Pretty impressive on its own, though you’d also need to take into account that this show takes place in between Seasons 2 and 3, fairly early into her run on the show. And we know verbatim that El’s powers have only gotten stronger since thanks to extensive training, so she likely upscale this pretty decently by the end of her story. You could perhaps scale Carrie to a few potential bullet dodges from other King movies, but El would have better reactions regardless. 


Carrie’s attack speed is on a completely different level however, and completely dwarfs anything reasonable present in Stranger Things. Being able to grab and drag meteors down from space is pretty crazy, as they can travel through space at around Mach 40 - 50 and Carrie’s telekinesis would have needed to catch these things to bring ‘em down in the first place. Not only that, but meteors can travel through earth’s atmosphere at around Mach 30 at the lowest, with higher potential speeds being around Mach 200 at best. Leagues above what any character or Eleven herself has shown. This likely cannot be scaled to her reactions however. As nobody in the series, let alone Carrie has ever reacted to her telekinesis like that. So Eleven has calculably higher reactions, meanwhile Carrie has significantly higher attack speed. Faster than Eleven all around. Even if we were incredibly disingenuous about these meteors and just said Carrie flung rocks so fast they caught fire, that's still Mach 5 at bare minimum.


We think overall Carrie White should be afforded the advantage in speed, just due to the immensely higher numbers on her end no matter how you try to slice her meteor shower feat. 

Chapter III: Practice makes Perfect


We’re not gonna beat around the bush here. This is a clean sweep for El. 


To be fair to Carebear, she is actually quite smart academically, likely smarter than Eleven academically, and spent days researching miracles and testing out her gifts. She’s also seemingly much more creative than Eleven in how she applies her powers. Carrie has far more cases of utilizing her environment to her advantage than Eleven on average and has used her powers in just as deadly ways. But the biggest difference between the two is that Carrie was unaware and sheltered from her powers for most of her life, while El is just built for this shit. Quite literally. Eleven was born and raised in experimentation, with her powers constantly being tampered with, tested and put to their limits against other telekinetics. Although Carrie did work on controlling her powers via flexing, Eleven’s been heavily trained by ex-military like Jim Hopper and has run entire obstacle courses in less than a dozen seconds, which she still wasn't satisfied with and was adamant that she could do better. A level of dedication and resilience that Carrie has never showcased with training her abilities.


While Carrie is arguably smarter than El academically… Eleven is the only actual fighter here and actually employs battle tactics, sometimes even fighting dirty. Like when he telekinetically threw sand in Vecna’s face to blind him then proceeded to take advantage of the situation and go in for a stealth attack. Carrie.. Kind of just murders people. Carrie is without a doubt deadly and knows how to use her powers to instantly kill victims, like when she forced a heart attack on her own mother, Eleven has shown a similar level of brutality and has been on record of forcing enemies to use their own weapons against themselves, on top of just having actual combat experience. Which is where Eleven’s biggest advantage here lies. Experience against people on her level. Even as a little kid, not only was Eleven putting belt to ass on groups of trained agents and other-worldly monsters but she’s tangled with other telekinetics on several occasions and almost always kicked their asses. She’s defeated Vecna and the Mind Flayer multiple times, beings that are supposedly stronger than her, just as versatile and much more experienced than her. Meanwhile Carrie has never been thrust into any sort of situation like this and really has just killed a bunch of regular people. Keep in mind, Carrie canonically in most versions of her story only really ever cuts loose for a single night with her powers, compare this to Eleven, who has been constantly tested and has engaged in world ending events for around 10 years, the skill and experience difference is just clear here. 


While Carrie does have some tricks up her sleeve without a doubt, Eleven slams in this category. 


Chapter IV: Power of the Mind

Of course both of these girls have a plethora of other abilities besides telekinesis, but who has more to work with in general?


Both have a similar amount of powers in terms of numbers when you actually count them out, as long as you count teleportation for El at least, which is pretty questionable to actually use. As far as their telekinesis is concerned, it would seem pretty similar. Both can target internal organs, create protective shields and can manipulate multiple things at a time, even things not directly in their line of sight. But Carrie’s definitely has a far longer range and is a bit more precise. Carrie could specifically target and halt singular water drops and could drag meteors down from space. You could maybe try to compare Eleven’s range to Vecna’s but as we’ve already discussed before the verdict, you likely just can’t. Especially since Vecna did this after his full transformation and has never put Eleven in a battle of range against him like that. Carrie is also just outwardly more destructive than Eleven. Carrie wrecked her entire home town just by walking through it, much more casually than what Eleven has done. 


Another thing that’s sticking out is that Carrie’s telepathy powers require far less work than El’s. Eleven needs a bit of set up to enter the void and enter someone’s mind, while Carrie just doesn’t and having enhanced senses and a level of precognition is a pretty big bonus over Eleven, who has nothing of the sort really. Carrie is also just more creative with how she applies her powers and more often uses her environment to her advantage. Like using live wires to electrocute people, crushing them in between bleachers and using the very elements around her to kill. Meanwhile some of Eleven’s powers aren’t too great here. Her biokinesis, while handy, has never been used on herself to mend injuries and her portal creation seemingly requires a live host to create, and both require a good bit of time and heavy effort to accomplish. So El probably can’t heal severe wounds or create portals on a whim, at least not without giving Carrie time to counter. 


Carrie’s weather manipulation could also be quite useful here. Being able to bring down meteors from the sky and destructive hail storms would give Eleven various things to worry about in the moment besides Carrie herself. Meaning if the chance showed itself Carrie could put Eleven on the defensive and buy herself more time and breathing room. Eleven has sort of done similar stuff, like causing decently strong swirling gusts of wind in the cartoon, but that wasn’t even knocking people off their feet and still required more effort from El to pull off compared to Carrie doing any of this stuff. 


In terms of pure application here, Carrie White is a bit more versatile than El, thanks to her better creativity and more applicable powers throughout. 


Chapter V: No Strangers to Blood

We’re at the end of the line. All things considered, this actually ended up being an insanely close fight. Both have their advantages, and big ones at that. Eleven is stronger, more skilled and experienced, while Carrie has the more versatile kit and the attack speed to keep Eleven on her toes. But there’s just one question left. Since both are more than capable of easily killing each other, who will have the easier time activating their win conditions? 


Eleven is obviously on a completely different level of pure power, not only has she just lifted heavier things with her telekinesis, but her scaling beat for beat out does Carrie significantly. But this is rather a moot advantage to be completely honest, both are easily powerful enough to one shot the other. Carrie being able to conjure storms and bring down meteors are certainly feats capable of turning Eleven into bloody mulch. She might have small building physicals, but that’s not standing up to multi-city block attack potency. Both also similarly have pretty easy insta-kill options in being able to just target each other's organs and if given the opportunity, Eleven could theoretically send Carrie into the Hellscape via her portal creation, which should just be able to be used on Carrie’s body. 


El without question is way more skilled too. While Carrie isn’t exactly lacking, she can use her powers just fine but Eleven has been extensively trained for her entire life. Carrie’s weather manipulation and sheer creativity would most likely keep El on her toes though, cause she’d not only need to worry about Carrie insta-killing her but also dozens of meteors coming down on her capable of the same exact thing. Eleven herself can be pretty tricky when given the chance but it’s also worth noting El hasn’t really fought someone as creatively deadly as Carrie. The most important factor at the end of the day always comes down to speed. Eleven’s reactions and own attack speed are definitely faster than Carrie’s, even if you tried scaling her to other king characters, Carrie is still likely falling short in reactions. But her attack speed is insanely faster than El all around, by a couple hundred times over at its highest potential. So really, both just need one good shot and it's all over right there. 


Once our research wrapped, a few things stuck out to us. Carrie’s range is significantly better and her powers require far less effort on her part to get off. Eleven’s max range is likely only reacting a few dozen feet, at least with what we’re actually shown, meanwhile Carrie as even just a baby could yank meteors out of goddamn space. A range of over 60 miles at the absolute least. And Eleven’s powers typically require actual body movement like nodding her head or extending her arms on her part when she’s going all out. While Carrie can just… stare at you and shit happens. It also helps that Carrie has things like mind reading and precognition, so she’d be able to predict what Eleven is about to do and just go for it first. And obviously at an extended range, not only can Carrie just snipe El, but her attacks would obviously reach Eleven before vise versa by at the very least a 30 times difference. Despite her reactions and own attack speed, Eleven would not be fast enough to cover that distance before Carrie, let alone dodge the attack… cause it’s invisible and she wouldn’t be able to know it’s coming. Even if she could, she just isn’t fast enough to act accordingly anyways. 


Once again we’re at the point where these characters would need to act almost perfectly to win. And we think Carebear can snatch the victory more times than not. While it might seem weird to say, Eleven has never really fought anyone exactly like Carrie White. Her tool kit is more versatile than any singular opponent that El has taken on and despite not really being a fighter like her opponent, Carrie doesn’t really need to be when she could just end this with a glance. Helped by her significant range advantage, intuitive abilities, her bonkers attack speeds and bloodlust, Carrie White would likely clutch the victory more times than not.  

Summary


"Joyce says time is funny like that. Emotions can make it speed up or slow down. We are all time travelers if you think about it."


Advantages:

  • Can one shot Carrie quite easily with telekinesis.

  • Far higher attack potency with telekinesis regardless of what you buy.

  • Higher lifting strength with or without powers probably.

  • Faster reaction speeds.

  • Physically superior realistically. 

  • Could snap Carrie’s neck or attack her brain with minimal effort.

  • Has actual training and is far more experienced.

  • Theoretically could BFR Carrie….

  • Is in Dead by Daylight.


Disadvantages:

  • … But it takes too long. 

  • Loses the range game by a large margin.

  • No counters to mind reading or precognition.

  • Powers require more mental and physical effort.

  • Over exertion could leave her powerless.

  • I’d tell you, but it’s up to interpretation.


“She did not know if her gift had come from the lord of light or of darkness, and now, finally finding that she didn’t care which, she was overcome with almost indescribable relief, as if a huge weight, long carried, had slipped from her shoulders.”


Advantages:

  • Can one shot Eleven quite easily with telekinesis.

  • Immensely higher attack speed with telekinesis.

  • More versatile and deadly uses with her powers.

  • Could give Eleven a heart attack with a stare. 

  • Academically more intelligent.

  • Far more impressive range.

  • Mind reading and precognition give her a leg up.

  • Powers require less work on her end to activate. 

  • The new show looks promising!


Disadvantages:

  • Physically inferior.

  • No real training and very little experience at going all out.

  • Over exertion could affect her memory. 

  • They’re all going to laugh at you.

  • Is not in Dead by Daylight (Get on it Bhvr…)


Well, here we are. With the final fight of Bang’s Blogs Stranger Things trilogy at its end we have yet again another surprising victor. All three of these blogs ended up having much more complex debates than we initially thought when we decided to do these. (We thought Steve was just going to get shot tbh). But it was nice to give four iconic franchises an up to date modern look and it was cool to have pretty debatable matches through and through. Eleven had the power, the skill and the experience to make this a tough battle but we came to the conclusion that Carrie had just the right trump cards to end this before things go bad. Jane might’ve thought her chances were up to 11, but Carrie is leaving her 2-1. The winner is Carrie White. 


Final Tally

Jane “Eleven” Hopper (1)- 27thUltra 


Carrie White (12)- Bang, Blessed, Coach Boomer, Door-kun, Echo Awakens, Garf, LAD, Thicc Grimes, Tru, Toxin, Yerm, Yuix




Bang’s Blogs & Horror: What's Next? 

Horror and Bang’s Blogs are like peanut butter and chocolate, and as always, we have big plans for horror this year, and it starts earlier than you’d think! Remember last summer when we put six cryptids in a battle royale to see who would come out on top? Well we’re making the long awaited sequel! Featuring some influential, but lesser known cryptids, we couldn’t really put this in the trailer because none of these guys really have much footage or images to go off of


Bang Hindsight: As I was writing this I remembered we made a trailer for this last year despite using no footage and just images. So the more accurate answer is we’re on a time crunch, and lots of this was decided at the last moment. Anyway here's the roster:

Cryptids Battle Royale 2


The roster is Flatwoods Monster vs Dover Demon vs Dogman vs Ningen vs Mongolian Death Worm vs Lizardman. DM us if you would like to join this! Production is underway, and it will hit servers this summer!


Now this Halloween season, we’re going to step it up with some all-time classic horror matches…






Comments

  1. IwaoHDMay 1, 2026 at 9:46 AM

    This was truly a Strangers Thing

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  2. Patrick StarMay 1, 2026 at 10:48 AM

    Very good blog! Patrick very much approves this blog and my friends spongebob squidward and I are looking forward to Ash vs Frank

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  3. YuixMay 1, 2026 at 10:49 AM

    Oughleven vs Coughrrie. Whough woughld reoughlly woughn?
    Grought blough boughng! Oughnd oughf coughrse Groughmes loughked oughn poughr oughsual!
    Froughnk vs Oughsh oughnd SloughnderMoughn vs Sadakough oughre goughnna be insoughne

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  4. MacedaaceMay 1, 2026 at 10:50 AM

    This was a fun blog. I am incredibly hyped for both Cryptids 2 and Ash vs. Frank.

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